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		<title>Comment on EOTO- Concerns about Consumer Privacy by Tyler Ritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Ritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it&#039;s annoying to be bombarded with unsolicited marketing messages, and potentially a privacy threat. You bring up a couple of big issues here: security of personal information and its potential misuse, and consumer marketing practices.

Regarding consumer marketing you say, &quot;Surely the practice of collaborative marketing is successful and lucrative.&quot; Absolutely! Marketers have never before had the technology to target their best potential customers at this level. Just to offer another perspective on consumer marketing practices, this is not all bad. Like any other technology-driven practice, consumer information-sharing can be used for both good and evil. Your wife may have actually enjoyed some of the catalogs that came in the mail as a result of the maternity store&#039;s information-sharing. Think about what happens when you move into a new home. You get mailers from all sorts of local businesses and services, some of them really useful. While you may have to stand over the recycling bin every day when the mail comes, you can quickly sort through and find the information that is valuable to you. 

However, the case for the benefits of consumer-centric marketing falls apart when we are faced with information pollution. We should be able to control the flow to a greater extent. In 1999, Seth Godin published his groundbreaking book Permission Marketing, making the case for &quot;opt in&quot; marketing practices, particularly related to e-mail marketing. Unfortunately, the good practices he recommended are not always employed. Many companies now are conducting &quot;opt out&quot; marketing, where consumers have to ask to be removed from a list. This is where we&#039;ve gone wrong and where consumers are really having to fight back. Even worse, some companies are making it increasingly difficult for people to opt out.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://gigaom.com/2007/11/06/facebook-beacon-privacy-issues/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Facebook&#039;s &quot;Beacon&quot;&lt;/a&gt; has been the source of a lot of controversy. What initially sounded like a great idea for Facebook users and marketers has become a privacy disaster. As the Internet and social networking sites continue to grow, there is going to have to be tighter regulation.

It&#039;s unfortunate that something with the potential to make our lives easier has actually become such a source of frustration. Hopefully consumer protection organizations and the many companies out there employing legitimate marketing practices will work together to get us back on the right path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217;s annoying to be bombarded with unsolicited marketing messages, and potentially a privacy threat. You bring up a couple of big issues here: security of personal information and its potential misuse, and consumer marketing practices.</p>
<p>Regarding consumer marketing you say, &#8220;Surely the practice of collaborative marketing is successful and lucrative.&#8221; Absolutely! Marketers have never before had the technology to target their best potential customers at this level. Just to offer another perspective on consumer marketing practices, this is not all bad. Like any other technology-driven practice, consumer information-sharing can be used for both good and evil. Your wife may have actually enjoyed some of the catalogs that came in the mail as a result of the maternity store&#8217;s information-sharing. Think about what happens when you move into a new home. You get mailers from all sorts of local businesses and services, some of them really useful. While you may have to stand over the recycling bin every day when the mail comes, you can quickly sort through and find the information that is valuable to you. </p>
<p>However, the case for the benefits of consumer-centric marketing falls apart when we are faced with information pollution. We should be able to control the flow to a greater extent. In 1999, Seth Godin published his groundbreaking book Permission Marketing, making the case for &#8220;opt in&#8221; marketing practices, particularly related to e-mail marketing. Unfortunately, the good practices he recommended are not always employed. Many companies now are conducting &#8220;opt out&#8221; marketing, where consumers have to ask to be removed from a list. This is where we&#8217;ve gone wrong and where consumers are really having to fight back. Even worse, some companies are making it increasingly difficult for people to opt out.  <a href="http://gigaom.com/2007/11/06/facebook-beacon-privacy-issues/" rel="nofollow">Facebook&#8217;s &#8220;Beacon&#8221;</a> has been the source of a lot of controversy. What initially sounded like a great idea for Facebook users and marketers has become a privacy disaster. As the Internet and social networking sites continue to grow, there is going to have to be tighter regulation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that something with the potential to make our lives easier has actually become such a source of frustration. Hopefully consumer protection organizations and the many companies out there employing legitimate marketing practices will work together to get us back on the right path.</p>
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		<title>Comment on EOTO- Concerns about Consumer Privacy by kennedyelliott</title>
		<link>http://charlesfaulkner.wordpress.com/2008/10/31/eoto-concerns-about-consumer-privacy/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>kennedyelliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,

This is another great topic that sheds some light on information-gathering techniques that just aren’t talked about enough. Great thought process here. I don’t think any of us are conspiracy theorists, but we need to know where all this information is going that is being collected about us is going and for what reasons. 

I think your statement, “As we have grown accustomed to these mass communication technologies, we seem to have become oblivious to the threats to our own privacy,” brings up another brilliant point. Information-collecting is very subtle – I have given my phone number out to retailers without blinking, which surprises me to admit it. It’s like advertising embedded in a blockbuster video hit that we inadvertently absorb – sometimes, we do not even realize we are partaking in information-collecting because the means of gathering it are so subtle and seamless.

This loops back to my post on Katie Lowrance’s blog about not hearing enough about what is being done with this data – spam? Selling to third party advertisers? What is the margin of possibility that someone handling this information could abuse it?

I recall a recent incident where I was buying a couple of sweaters from a well-known retailer, and since that particular branch did not have my size, I was encouraged to participate in a program that mails you the merchandise from another story, which carried the size I wanted. The salesperson had to process my credit card manually – through one of those slide machines – and wrote everything else by hand. After she was done, she glanced up at me and said, “Don’t worry, this information is processed right away, so your credit card information isn’t just floating around out there.”

Which made me think of another point: is print or digital filing more reliable? I suppose I felt uneasy about the print documentation of my credit card information because it would have to be processed by a human, not a computer. So from this example, human interference with personal information is alarming. This makes the unknown processes behind information-collecting that much more ominous – what goes on with this information and how is it used?

As a final note, I literally have one email account dedicated for spamming. It is the one I plug in whenever I’m signing up for an account on a website, wanting to get coupons for my favorite stores, or paying my bills. My second account is for personal interaction with friends and family. Whew! So much to manage in the digital sphere.

Kennedy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,</p>
<p>This is another great topic that sheds some light on information-gathering techniques that just aren’t talked about enough. Great thought process here. I don’t think any of us are conspiracy theorists, but we need to know where all this information is going that is being collected about us is going and for what reasons. </p>
<p>I think your statement, “As we have grown accustomed to these mass communication technologies, we seem to have become oblivious to the threats to our own privacy,” brings up another brilliant point. Information-collecting is very subtle – I have given my phone number out to retailers without blinking, which surprises me to admit it. It’s like advertising embedded in a blockbuster video hit that we inadvertently absorb – sometimes, we do not even realize we are partaking in information-collecting because the means of gathering it are so subtle and seamless.</p>
<p>This loops back to my post on Katie Lowrance’s blog about not hearing enough about what is being done with this data – spam? Selling to third party advertisers? What is the margin of possibility that someone handling this information could abuse it?</p>
<p>I recall a recent incident where I was buying a couple of sweaters from a well-known retailer, and since that particular branch did not have my size, I was encouraged to participate in a program that mails you the merchandise from another story, which carried the size I wanted. The salesperson had to process my credit card manually – through one of those slide machines – and wrote everything else by hand. After she was done, she glanced up at me and said, “Don’t worry, this information is processed right away, so your credit card information isn’t just floating around out there.”</p>
<p>Which made me think of another point: is print or digital filing more reliable? I suppose I felt uneasy about the print documentation of my credit card information because it would have to be processed by a human, not a computer. So from this example, human interference with personal information is alarming. This makes the unknown processes behind information-collecting that much more ominous – what goes on with this information and how is it used?</p>
<p>As a final note, I literally have one email account dedicated for spamming. It is the one I plug in whenever I’m signing up for an account on a website, wanting to get coupons for my favorite stores, or paying my bills. My second account is for personal interaction with friends and family. Whew! So much to manage in the digital sphere.</p>
<p>Kennedy</p>
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		<title>Comment on EOTO- Concerns about Consumer Privacy by klowrance</title>
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		<dc:creator>klowrance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may have been unclear about consumer privacy above..of course it shouldn&#039;t be eliminated. It should be strengthened. What I meant is for you to futhur explain how consumer privacy can be upholded in the future.
PS: I like your layout! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have been unclear about consumer privacy above..of course it shouldn&#8217;t be eliminated. It should be strengthened. What I meant is for you to futhur explain how consumer privacy can be upholded in the future.<br />
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		<title>Comment on EOTO- Concerns about Consumer Privacy by klowrance</title>
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		<dc:creator>klowrance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,
I was very intrigued by your global communication issue. When I was thinking of a topic, your&#039;s never crossed my mind but I feel passionate about this issue of consumer privacy. It bothers me that SPAM has actually found its way into text messaging. I don&#039;t know how but I&#039;ve started to receive texts about my horoscope! Who knows what Website picked up that information! And I feel for your poor wife who was pregnant and had to deal with maternity stores that also gather personal information. You would think that it would be too time consuming and expensive to advertise to so many people. 
I remember the Do Not Call List where you could have your name taken off a solicitor/company database. I really appreciate that idea, as most people do. It&#039;s such a bother having to deal with unwanted phone calls and emails. I feel sorry for the people who make a living that way. I always said that my most hated career (if you can call it that) would be that of a telemarketer..or a trash collector. Ironically, I&#039;d rather do the latter and make a little more money..ha!
I enjoyed reading through the links you listed above. The only thing I would address in more detail are your specific fears about consumer privacy and how it can be eliminated/dissapated over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,<br />
I was very intrigued by your global communication issue. When I was thinking of a topic, your&#8217;s never crossed my mind but I feel passionate about this issue of consumer privacy. It bothers me that SPAM has actually found its way into text messaging. I don&#8217;t know how but I&#8217;ve started to receive texts about my horoscope! Who knows what Website picked up that information! And I feel for your poor wife who was pregnant and had to deal with maternity stores that also gather personal information. You would think that it would be too time consuming and expensive to advertise to so many people.<br />
I remember the Do Not Call List where you could have your name taken off a solicitor/company database. I really appreciate that idea, as most people do. It&#8217;s such a bother having to deal with unwanted phone calls and emails. I feel sorry for the people who make a living that way. I always said that my most hated career (if you can call it that) would be that of a telemarketer..or a trash collector. Ironically, I&#8217;d rather do the latter and make a little more money..ha!<br />
I enjoyed reading through the links you listed above. The only thing I would address in more detail are your specific fears about consumer privacy and how it can be eliminated/dissapated over time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on EOTO- Concerns about Consumer Privacy by Pat West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am concerned about the privacy issue as well. It seems like every one I do business with – from my doctor to Joe Plumber – wants my email address. In order to get discounts at the grocery store, I have to let them scan my bar code tag. If I buy dog food, they print out coupons for more dog food. 

I am concerned about information gathering that is going on through Internet transactions. On one hand, I like to know when my favorite bookstore is having a sale; on the other hand, the job of managing spam and the flyers piling into my snail mail box is getting tougher. And that’s just a nuisance; the real threat is that the information might be used against me some day by an unscrupulous person. Does my employer really need to know my credit score? 

Why do medical and dental providers insist you give them your social security number? Why can’t you just give them your medical insurance name, group number and identification number? It makes me nervous because the medical industry is getting so lucrative that people who made fortunes in drug traffic are investing in medical practices, according to my nephew, an FBI agent.  

Thanks for your EOTO report, Charles. The Consumer Privacy.org site led me to GetNetWise, which in turn took me to OnGuardOnline and StaySafeOnline, federal sites that offer very good interactive quizzes to allow you to test your knowledge in protecting your privacy and security. It was fun to test myself and the results were eye-opening.  But I’m not telling how I did. That’s top-secret, private information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am concerned about the privacy issue as well. It seems like every one I do business with – from my doctor to Joe Plumber – wants my email address. In order to get discounts at the grocery store, I have to let them scan my bar code tag. If I buy dog food, they print out coupons for more dog food. </p>
<p>I am concerned about information gathering that is going on through Internet transactions. On one hand, I like to know when my favorite bookstore is having a sale; on the other hand, the job of managing spam and the flyers piling into my snail mail box is getting tougher. And that’s just a nuisance; the real threat is that the information might be used against me some day by an unscrupulous person. Does my employer really need to know my credit score? </p>
<p>Why do medical and dental providers insist you give them your social security number? Why can’t you just give them your medical insurance name, group number and identification number? It makes me nervous because the medical industry is getting so lucrative that people who made fortunes in drug traffic are investing in medical practices, according to my nephew, an FBI agent.  </p>
<p>Thanks for your EOTO report, Charles. The Consumer Privacy.org site led me to GetNetWise, which in turn took me to OnGuardOnline and StaySafeOnline, federal sites that offer very good interactive quizzes to allow you to test your knowledge in protecting your privacy and security. It was fun to test myself and the results were eye-opening.  But I’m not telling how I did. That’s top-secret, private information.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Human Filtering and Marketing? by Charles Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We update the Top 100 list every month on AltSearchEngines.com, so it is always up to date!

Charles Knight, editor
AltSearchEngines.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We update the Top 100 list every month on AltSearchEngines.com, so it is always up to date!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A preamble for a blog by Kirk Hathway</title>
		<link>http://charlesfaulkner.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/a-preamble-for-a-blog/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Hathway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,  I appreciate the focus of your blog and hope you can find the time to research and keep up with examples and citations that would document your concerns.  I know in the writing of my blog this week I thought twice about this sentence while speaking of my late mother: &lt;em&gt;She had left her third husband for a boyfriend and her boyfriend for another, and along with the struggle with her illness my mother was proud to share her prowess as a passionate woman, albeit a woman with one less breast.&quot; &lt;/em&gt;  Truly, if she was living I would be extremely hesitant to have written this, and I suspect one of my sisters in Virginia might be a little offended to think of our mother this way, so I am wondering if you will also be covering the topic of sites not just sensitive for the writer but possibly even exposing the writer&#039;s loved one.  In my own case, I would write about nearly anything in my life but I know if I was to encroach upon my wife&#039;s privacy, we would have some serious issues.  Still, though, I can&#039;t by the idea of being anonymous in blogs.  If I can&#039;t stand true for myself, then the issue I am proclaiming is nothing more than hearsay.   Thanks for your focus and topic.  Kirk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,  I appreciate the focus of your blog and hope you can find the time to research and keep up with examples and citations that would document your concerns.  I know in the writing of my blog this week I thought twice about this sentence while speaking of my late mother: <em>She had left her third husband for a boyfriend and her boyfriend for another, and along with the struggle with her illness my mother was proud to share her prowess as a passionate woman, albeit a woman with one less breast.&#8221; </em>  Truly, if she was living I would be extremely hesitant to have written this, and I suspect one of my sisters in Virginia might be a little offended to think of our mother this way, so I am wondering if you will also be covering the topic of sites not just sensitive for the writer but possibly even exposing the writer&#8217;s loved one.  In my own case, I would write about nearly anything in my life but I know if I was to encroach upon my wife&#8217;s privacy, we would have some serious issues.  Still, though, I can&#8217;t by the idea of being anonymous in blogs.  If I can&#8217;t stand true for myself, then the issue I am proclaiming is nothing more than hearsay.   Thanks for your focus and topic.  Kirk</p>
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